and up first, the only vice-president debate between the respect and paul ryan. >> that's the one we all want to see. thank you so much. >> the president and mitt romney not veering from their messages and taking every chance they could to hit one another on the policies. >> i know that you and your running mate is saying that and it is popular thing to say but it is not the case. i got five boys and i am used to people saying something that is not always true but keeping on repeating it and hoping i will believe it. that's not the case. i will not reduce taxes paid by high income americans. >> the fact is, if you low are the rates the way you describe, governor, it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loop holes that only affect high income individuals to avoid raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it is math. it is arithmetic. >> don't forget you put 90 billion, 50 yearrs worth of breaks in solar and wind to solyndra, and fis car and i have a friend who said you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers, this is not the kind of policy